rei · Apr 23, 2005, 02:48 AM // 02:48

Im sorry i haven't had time to use forums too often. I still question if this is the right place to have left this kind of thread at.

Anyway, I know that Mesmer's Damage over time ignores target defence, but those the holy damage on The monk smiting spell ignore target defence also?
and if so, what other spells/attacks ignore target defence?
thanks in advance

edit:
is it wise to have any smiting skills from the monk to use in offensive combat at all?

worthless · Apr 23, 2005, 02:58 AM // 02:58

i do not believe that holy dmg ignores armor because of the fact that some of them say they have specific armor penetration percentages.

also, if youre playing a monk and you want to focus on healing during pvp. you dont have much time to be going on offense it is a quite busy job keeping your team alive. but youre welcome to try, depending on your team it may be very successful who knows. its just not the most common thing done as a monk primary.

other spells that ignore target armor:
any spell that does health degredation (i.e. -4 arrows (pips) of health)
Illusionary weapon
crystal wave (says it on the skill)

those are the only ones i got off the top of my head.

The_Communist · Apr 23, 2005, 03:05 AM // 03:05

Monks are for healing and dont you forget it now ya hear dont go all rightous and say hey i think i will go and smite me some evil today. no it dont work taht way you susposed to heal dont give into the temptaion of smithing o no u better not.

rei · Apr 23, 2005, 03:18 AM // 03:18

thanks lot for those helpsful replies. one more question though

if i use mark of rodgort and fire dmg, the burning dmg on mark of rodgort, would that ignore target defence?

worthless · Apr 23, 2005, 03:19 AM // 03:19

yes (10 characters)

Fezz · Apr 23, 2005, 03:23 AM // 03:23

The Monk's Smiting spells do infact Ignore the targets defence, they always do the listed damage(except against undead and that necro armor set).

If the spell says "deal x Holy damage" then it will ignore the targets armor. The only skill that doesn't follow this is Judge's Insight, which changes your damage to Holy, this will not make your attacks ignore armor, but you will get the added bonus against Undead.

I happen to like the Smiting line as a form of attacking. And Monks are not just ment to heal, they have just as much right to Attack and slay the enemey as a Warrior.

Vermilion Okeanos · Apr 23, 2005, 03:33 AM // 03:33

How other say should not limit one's decision... How do we get new build ideas? Not this way for sure.

worthless · Apr 23, 2005, 03:34 AM // 03:34

thanks fezz, the only smiting skill i use is judges insight thats why i believed it didnt penetrate.

Nash · Apr 23, 2005, 03:50 AM // 03:50

Doing a Monk primary Smiter is just plain dumb. Divine Favor will in no way help your damage output. Wrong primary for damage.

Synthos · Apr 23, 2005, 04:22 AM // 04:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nash

Doing a Monk primary Smiter is just plain dumb. Divine Favor will in no way help your damage output. Wrong primary for damage.

Not dumb at all.. Im making a charecter that specialises in Divine Favor Healing prayers and Smiting prayers.. I found a spell combination that does 355 damage for 20 energy, 4 second total spell cast time, and 30 second recharge time.

Ill be able to heal and kick your ass at the same time

Hardly dumb..

Scaphism · Apr 23, 2005, 04:34 AM // 04:34

Please check the FAQ. It has information on the different damage types, armor ignoring attacks, and armor penetrating attacks.

Dreamsmith · Apr 23, 2005, 05:14 AM // 05:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nash

Doing a Monk primary Smiter is just plain dumb. Divine Favor will in no way help your damage output. Wrong primary for damage.

Sometimes your other class's primary attribute won't help your damage any either, in which case, using the other class as primary does nothing for you but prevent you from using runes that boost smiting, hurting your ability to do damage.

Tozen · Apr 23, 2005, 05:34 AM // 05:34

I've used the smiting line... and quite frankly, it's a ton of fun!

The only problem I ever run into is when my teammates suddenly expect me to heal them... dang it, does the bald head make me look like I want to babysit them all day long?

In other words, if you take a primary monk and don't heal (at least initally after release) people will not respect you... partially due to the fact that they don't realize just how powerful some of the smiting line buffs are.

People will eventually get smarter and then it will be socially acceptable to be a smiting monk.

EDIT: Divine Favor is still quite a useful skill line, so being a primary monk actually means that you need to put fewer points into healing. Theoretically, (this isn't completely sound) you can put 4 levels into divine and 4 levels into healing spells which averages your healing power to a fairly decent amount (the exception being DOT heals.) This is substantially cheaper than getting 8 levels of healing on another character for a similiar effect. Will it be uber 100% kind of heals? Probably not, but even then that can be compensated for if you take a pure monk build!

Galatea Orea · Apr 23, 2005, 07:26 AM // 07:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nash

Doing a Monk primary Smiter is just plain dumb. Divine Favor will in no way help your damage output. Wrong primary for damage.

This is not the first time this opinion has been expressed on the forum. Nonetheless, Smiters are out there and they are fun to play. But, from what I have observed, you don't need to be a smiting monk to deal damage. In my PvE guild, the only one of us that reached 20 was a healing monk, with only Divine Favor and Healing. He was by no means a wuss and often dealt out more damage than others. So if you want to smite, heck, go ahead! This is Guild Wars! There are no rules! If you can imagine it, you can do it.

Xellos · Apr 23, 2005, 09:45 AM // 09:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scaphism

Please check the FAQ. It has information on the different damage types, armor ignoring attacks, and armor penetrating attacks.

It doesn't tell whether smiting is ignoring or not though. Or am I looking at the wrong one? I'm reading Game Mechanics.

Raumoheru · Apr 23, 2005, 04:01 PM // 16:01

yea the smiting skills ignore defense

Xellos · Apr 23, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

I never knew that.

Nash · Apr 23, 2005, 04:14 PM // 16:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

Sometimes your other class's primary attribute won't help your damage any either, in which case, using the other class as primary does nothing for you but prevent you from using runes that boost smiting, hurting your ability to do damage.

Sure, you lose runes. Good point. But, if your other class' primary doesn't help you either, you should pick another.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galatea Orea

This is not the first time this opinion has been expressed on the forum. Nonetheless, Smiters are out there and they are fun to play.

"Fun" doesn't translate to effective. Which is the issue at hand.

Ander Deathblade · Apr 23, 2005, 04:46 PM // 16:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galatea Orea

In my PvE guild, the only one of us that reached 20 was a healing monk, with only Divine Favor and Healing. He was by no means a wuss and often dealt out more damage than others.

lol, I shudder to think how much damage your elementalist guild mates did.

Anyway, smiting monks can be useful, for PvE. All in all though, you're better off if you go damage primary/smiting secondary, or just support. It can add nicely to real damage, not cause the real damage.

Sausaletus Rex · Apr 23, 2005, 05:37 PM // 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xellos

It doesn't tell whether smiting is ignoring or not though. Or am I looking at the wrong one? I'm reading Game Mechanics.

No, he meant the FAQ. The stickied thread at the top of this forum. Specifically, this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru FAQ

What are the different types of damage?
There are 3 categories of damage, with different subdivisions.
Physical: Slashing (swords and axes), Blunt (hammers), Piercing (bows)
Elemental: Fire, Lightning, Cold, Earth
Other: Chaos, Shadow(Dark), Holy(Light)

Does Lightning damage have armor penetration?
No. Lightning damage is just a type of damage, like any other, it has no inherent armor penetration. However, some Air Magic skills do have 25% Armor Penetration. Generally it is listed in the skill's description.

Does Holy damage ignore armor?
No. Holy damage is a damage type. It does not have any inherent armor-ignoring property. However, most undead enemies, and some necromancer armors (necrotic) will take double damage from holy damage. In addition, most smiting prayers spells that do holy damage will ignore armor. This is not listed in the description.

Apr 23, 2005, 02:48 AM // 02:48	#1
rei Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	Holy Damage on Monk is Ignore Target Defence? Im sorry i haven't had time to use forums too often. I still question if this is the right place to have left this kind of thread at. Anyway, I know that Mesmer's Damage over time ignores target defence, but those the holy damage on The monk smiting spell ignore target defence also? and if so, what other spells/attacks ignore target defence? thanks in advance edit: is it wise to have any smiting skills from the monk to use in offensive combat at all?

Apr 23, 2005, 03:05 AM // 03:05	#3
The_Communist Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: In your mind!	... Monks are for healing and dont you forget it now ya hear dont go all rightous and say hey i think i will go and smite me some evil today. no it dont work taht way you susposed to heal dont give into the temptaion of smithing o no u better not.

Apr 23, 2005, 05:34 AM // 05:34	#13
Tozen Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: All Senses Failed [aSF] Profession: A/N	I've used the smiting line... and quite frankly, it's a ton of fun! The only problem I ever run into is when my teammates suddenly expect me to heal them... dang it, does the bald head make me look like I want to babysit them all day long? In other words, if you take a primary monk and don't heal (at least initally after release) people will not respect you... partially due to the fact that they don't realize just how powerful some of the smiting line buffs are. People will eventually get smarter and then it will be socially acceptable to be a smiting monk. EDIT: Divine Favor is still quite a useful skill line, so being a primary monk actually means that you need to put fewer points into healing. Theoretically, (this isn't completely sound) you can put 4 levels into divine and 4 levels into healing spells which averages your healing power to a fairly decent amount (the exception being DOT heals.) This is substantially cheaper than getting 8 levels of healing on another character for a similiar effect. Will it be uber 100% kind of heals? Probably not, but even then that can be compensated for if you take a pure monk build! Last edited by Tozen; Apr 23, 2005 at 05:37 AM // 05:37..

Apr 23, 2005, 02:58 AM // 02:58	#2
worthless Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TX	i do not believe that holy dmg ignores armor because of the fact that some of them say they have specific armor penetration percentages. also, if youre playing a monk and you want to focus on healing during pvp. you dont have much time to be going on offense it is a quite busy job keeping your team alive. but youre welcome to try, depending on your team it may be very successful who knows. its just not the most common thing done as a monk primary. other spells that ignore target armor: any spell that does health degredation (i.e. -4 arrows (pips) of health) Illusionary weapon crystal wave (says it on the skill) those are the only ones i got off the top of my head.

Apr 23, 2005, 03:18 AM // 03:18	#4
rei Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	thanks lot for those helpsful replies. one more question though if i use mark of rodgort and fire dmg, the burning dmg on mark of rodgort, would that ignore target defence?

Apr 23, 2005, 03:19 AM // 03:19	#5
worthless Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TX	yes (10 characters)

Apr 23, 2005, 03:23 AM // 03:23	#6
Fezz Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Alabama Guild: Charter Vanguard	The Monk's Smiting spells do infact Ignore the targets defence, they always do the listed damage(except against undead and that necro armor set). If the spell says "deal x Holy damage" then it will ignore the targets armor. The only skill that doesn't follow this is Judge's Insight, which changes your damage to Holy, this will not make your attacks ignore armor, but you will get the added bonus against Undead. I happen to like the Smiting line as a form of attacking. And Monks are not just ment to heal, they have just as much right to Attack and slay the enemey as a Warrior.

Apr 23, 2005, 03:33 AM // 03:33	#7
Vermilion Okeanos Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2005	How other say should not limit one's decision... How do we get new build ideas? Not this way for sure.

Apr 23, 2005, 03:34 AM // 03:34	#8
worthless Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TX	thanks fezz, the only smiting skill i use is judges insight thats why i believed it didnt penetrate.

Apr 23, 2005, 03:50 AM // 03:50	#9
Nash Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sweden Guild: The Cornerstone	Doing a Monk primary Smiter is just plain dumb. Divine Favor will in no way help your damage output. Wrong primary for damage.

Apr 23, 2005, 04:01 PM // 16:01	#16
Raumoheru Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005	yea the smiting skills ignore defense

Apr 23, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10	#17
Xellos Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: No Idea	I never knew that.